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Alumni Spotlights

Perkins Alum Honored with SMU Distinguished Alumni Award – Rev. Paul L. Rasmussen (M.Div. ’04)

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SMU celebrated five outstanding graduates at the 2025 Distinguished Alumni Awards on October 30 in Armstrong Fieldhouse. Hosted by SMU President R. Gerald Turner and the SMU Alumni Board, the annual ceremony honors alumni whose lives exemplify extraordinary achievement, leadership, and service to their communities.

Among those recognized was Rev. Paul L. Rasmussen (M.Div. ’04), a proud Perkins School of Theology alumnus and senior minister of Highland Park United Methodist Church.

A fourth-generation United Methodist pastor, Rasmussen has devoted his ministry to transforming lives through faith, service, and community building. Since becoming HPUMC’s 11th senior pastor in 2013, he has led one of the nation’s largest United Methodist congregations while overseeing the launch of several new church campuses—including Munger Place Church, The Grove Church, and Uptown Church.

Rasmussen also championed the creation of the Tolleson Family Activity Center, a 65,000-square-foot addition to HPUMC’s main campus that houses the Belong Disability Ministry and Family Ministry. His leadership continues to reflect the Perkins commitment to theological depth, compassionate service, and faithful innovation.

Perkins celebrates Rev. Rasmussen’s recognition as a shining example of how theological education and faith in action can transform communities for the greater good.

Read the full story on the SMU website: SMU Distinguished Alumni Awards 2025

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Internship Spotlights

Intern Spotlight: Anita Lang

Anita Lang

The Perkins Intern Program is widely recognized for preparing women and men for faithful leadership in Christian ministry. Internships allow students to integrate classroom learning with the real-life demands of serving congregations or agencies in urban, suburban and rural settings. Interns are encouraged to follow three guiding practices: “Be Aware, Think Theologically, and Lead Faithfully.” Interns receive guidance from trained mentors, feedback from on-site committees, and support from their cohort, intern program faculty and consultants through the Internship Seminars. They gain hands-on experience, reflect theologically and explore how God is calling them to serve. In this ongoing series spotlighting interns, we introduce you to the Rev. Anita Lang, an M.A.M. student and Intern Pastor at Wesley United Methodist Church in Kenosha, Wisc.

Lang has learned to juggle multiple responsibilities this semester: her internship, job, family and schoolwork.  A hybrid student who graduates in May, Lang also teaches as an associate professor in the religion department at Carthage College in Kenosha.  It hasn’t been easy, but Lang is making it work. She shares her experiences here.   

What kinds of work are you doing at Wesley UMC?

I preach, lead worship, teach Bible studies, and assist with pastoral care, visiting the sick and those in senior living communities. I’m also part of an outreach ministry to bring Latino families in the area to our English-speaking congregation.  I basically support the senior pastor, the Rev. David Kim, in all the ways that I can.  He has been an amazing mentor. It been a time of grace, a time of learning, and a time of listening and working together.

Tell us about the journey that first brought you to Perkins.

My call to ministry has been a lifelong journey. I grew up in a Methodist family in Chile. My mother was a seminarian; my grandmother was the pianist at the church, and my grandfather was the preacher. I first felt the call to serve God when I was 16 years old.  But I needed finish high school and college first. After I moved to the U.S. and joined Wesley UMC, the pastor at the time asked me, “Anita, how do you feel about a call to serve God?”

So that call I felt in Chile many years ago became a reality. I began the Course of Study program at Garrett, and that led to teaching at Carthage College, and later, to Perkins.

What’s been most challenging about your internship? 

Balancing church responsibilities, schoolwork and family life is never easy. I have learned to set clear boundaries, to practice time management, and to accept that I cannot do everything at once. I’ve learned to be more merciful to myself and to take things one at a time. Grace and self-compassion have become vital through this internship. I try to remember the ministry itself is not just what I do. It is also who I am.

How has your coursework at Perkins come to life during your internship? 

The Research Theology course at Perkins directly shaped my approach to my internship. We are called to observe God in each of our steps. To ask, “Where is God? Where is God present? And when does it feel like God is absent?” That theological thinking has helped me enormously.

Do you have any spiritual practices that help you stay grounded? 

Prayer. Talking with God, knowing that God walks with me, is with me, and is my companion. I pray in my car, I pray before my teaching, I pray before my internship. I say, “God, here we go. Be with me.”

What do you hope to carry forward from this internship? 

My world is divided in the educational and pastoral fields. In my teaching as well as my work in the church, I hope to develop a deeper sense of pastoral presence. To lead with empathy, to teach with grace, and to serve with a heart centered in Christ. Also, my studies at Perkins are equipping me to reach out even more to other cultural contexts and communities.

What advice would you share with other students trying to juggle ministry and coursework at the same time?

Be kind to yourself. Find rhythms that sustain you: rest, prayer, laughter and community. And do not be afraid to ask for help.

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Perkins Events

Perkins and GPRS Scholars Presenting at AAR–SBL 2025

The following list highlights Perkins School of Theology and Graduate Program in Religious Studies (GPRS) faculty, students, and alumni participating in the 2025 Annual Meetings of the American Academy of Religion (AAR) and the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) in Boston, MA.

Please note: session times, rooms, and participants are subject to change. For the most current schedule and updates, visit the AAR–SBL Annual Meeting website.

Friday, November 21

Session ID: M21-108 | 11:30 AM – 1:00 PM | Sheraton, Gardner (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Individuals and Institutions: Intersections of Gender, Culture and Historiography
  • Presenter: Emily Nelms Chastain
    Paper: Institutional Gatekeeping and Gendered Agency: How American Methodist Women Navigated Ecclesial Patriarchy, 1880–1980

Session ID: P21-205 | 1:00 PM – 3:00 PM | Hilton Back Bay, Belvidere A (Second Floor)

  • Theme: Relational Forms
  • Panelist: Isaiah Ellis, Southern Methodist University

Saturday, November 22

Session ID: S22-121 | 9:00 AM – 1:00 PM | Sheraton, Huntington (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Non-Hollywood Film and the Bible
  • Presiding: Robert Kranz, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: P22-115 | 9:00 AM – 11:30 AM | Marriott Copley Place, Arlington (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Niebuhr, Nations, and Nationalism
  • Panelist: Dallas Gingles, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S22-144 | 9:00 AM – 11:30 AM | Hynes Convention Center, 104 (Plaza Level)

  • Theme: The Synoptic Gospels and Greco-Roman Phenomena/Practices
  • Presiding: Abraham Smith, Perkins School of Theology, SMU

Session ID: A22-213 | 12:30 PM – 2:30 PM | Sheraton, The Fens (Fifth Floor)

  • Theme: Liturgy, Song, and Theology
  • Panelist: Fernando Berwig Silva, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: A22-324 | 3:00 PM – 4:30 PM | Marriott Copley Place, Fairfield (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Governance, Infrastructure, and Urban Activism
  • Respondent: Isaiah Ellis, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S22-340 | 4:00 PM – 6:30 PM | Hynes Convention Center, 109 (Plaza Level)

  • Theme: The Bible, Poverty, and the Minoritized Peoples
  • Presenter: Kenna Curry, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S22-311 | 4:00 PM – 6:30 PM | Marriott Copley Place, Harvard (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Foundations for Critical Carceral Studies and the Bible
  • Presenter: Abraham Smith, Perkins School of Theology, SMU

Sunday, November 23

Session ID: A23-234 | 12:30 PM – 2:30 PM | Sheraton, Liberty C (Second Floor)

  • Theme: Teaching Tactics
  • Presenter: Marie Olson Purcell, Southern Methodist University
    Paper: Adapting the Fishbowl Discussion: Reducing the Hot Seat, Elevating Content, Including More Voices

    • Theme: Book of Samuel: Narrative, Theology, and Interpretation

Session ID: S23-109 | 9:00 AM – 11:30 AM | Marriott Copley Place, Vermont (Fifth Floor)

  • Theme: Methodological Considerations for Commentary Writing on 1 Samuel: A Conceptual Feminist Proposal
  • Presenter: Susanne Scholz, Perkins School of Theology, SMU

Monday, November 24

Session ID: S24-105 | 9:00 AM – 11:30 AM | Sheraton, Huntington (Third Floor)

  • Theme: Biblical Characters in Film
  • Presenter: Robert Kranz, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S24-127 | 9:00 AM – 11:30 AM | Hynes Convention Center, 109 (Plaza Level)

  • Theme: Bible in America
  • Presiding: Mark Chancey, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: A24-215 | 12:30 PM – 2:30 PM | Hynes Convention Center, Room 105 (Plaza Level)

  • Theme: Evangelical Inerrancy: From the Bible to Politics
  • Presiding: JT Martin, Southern Methodist University
    Presenter: Michaela Calahan, Southern Methodist University
    Respondent: Susanne Scholz, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: M24-200 | 1:00 PM – 2:30 PM | Hilton Back Bay, Belvidere A (Second Floor)

  • Theme: Open Topics in Transreligious Exploration
  • Presenter: Ruben L. F. Habito, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S24-225 | 1:00 PM – 3:30 PM | Hynes Convention Center, 102 (Plaza Level)

  • Theme: Ritual in the Biblical World
  • Presenter: Silas Vermilya, Southern Methodist University

Session ID: S24-203 | 2:40 PM – 3:05 PM | Marriott Copley Place, Vermont (Fourth Floor)

  • Theme: Conflicts and Identity Discourse in the Book of Twelve Prophets
  • Presenter: JinRi Kim, Perkins School of Theology, SMU

 

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Faculty Around the World

Faculty Around the World

Dr. Rebekah Miles — Appointed Albert C. Outler Chair of Wesley Studies

Dean Bryan P. Stone announced that, upon his recommendation, Provost Rachel Mersey has appointed Dr. Rebekah Miles as the next Albert C. Outler Chair of Wesley Studies at Perkins School of Theology, effective immediately. Dr. Miles is the first woman to hold this chair, succeeding Dr. Ted Campbell following his retirement in spring 2025. She is the fourth scholar to hold the Outler Chair, following Dr. Dick Heitzenrater (1985–1993), the late Dr. Billy Abraham (1995–2021), and Dr. Campbell (2021–2025).

 

Dr. Priscilla Pope-Levison – No Man’s Land

Research Professor of Practical Theology Priscilla Pope-Levison’s forthcoming book, No Man’s Land (November 1, 2025), explores the international dimensions of the largely forgotten Methodist deaconess movement. Through vivid storytelling and historical insight, the book recovers the lives of women who served in tenements, on train platforms, and in communities around the world—nursing, preaching, teaching, and organizing in “no man’s land” to build a global network of faith and service.

 

Dr. Harold Joseph Recinos – Stained Glass Vespers

Professor of Church and Society Harold Recinos will give a lecture at Stained Glass Vespers on November 1, 2025, at King of Glory Lutheran Church (6411 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX). This multi-sensory event celebrates the intersection of fine arts and spirituality, inviting participants to experience worship as an art-based inquiry.

 

Dr. Marcell Steuernagel – “Worship and Technology” at the JDS Fall Symposium

Dr. Steuernagel, Director of the Master of Sacred Music program, will present at the Jakes Divinity School Fall Symposium (November 9–11 at The Potter’s House of Dallas). His session, “Worship and Technology,” examines how churches can use digital tools creatively and ethically while maintaining spiritual depth in a connected age.

 

Jack Levison – Alexander von Humboldt Foundation Grant Renewal

W. J. A. Power Professor of Old Testament Interpretation and Biblical Hebrew Jack Levison has received a grant renewal from the Alexander von Humboldt Foundation in Germany. As a Gastwissenschaftler (guest researcher) at Ludwig Maximilians Universität in Munich, he is continuing his research on ancient interpretations of Adam and Eve for an upcoming volume with Walter De Gruyter Publishers.

 

Dallas Gingles – “Angels, Demons, Generative AI, and the Problem of Reciprocity in the Future of Healthcare Ethics”

Assistant Dean of Hybrid Education and Director of the Doctor of Ministry Program, Dr. Dallas Gingles will lecture on “Angels, Demons, Generative AI, and the Problem of Reciprocity in the Future of Healthcare Ethics” for chaplains at Houston Methodist Hospital on November 18, 2025.

In the Face of Barbarism:” Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Ethics of Everyday Life
Dr. Gingles contributes to “In the Face of Barbarism:” Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Ethics of Everyday Life (November 13, 2025), an edited volume based on the 2022 Bonhoeffer Lectures in Public Ethics.

 

Rev. Dr. Jaime Clark-Soles — Louisville Institute Grant for Researchers

Rev. Clark-Soles has received a Louisville Institute Grant for Researchers for her project, “Psychedelics and Soul Care: What Christians Need to Know,” which explores how the church can engage ethically with the growing field of psychedelic-assisted therapy while addressing healing, justice, and spiritual formation.

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Dean News Top Story

Media Spotlight: Dean Bryan Stone on the Sacred and the Scary

Perkins Dean featured on KERA Think and SMU’s “Why We Love Being Scared” exploring faith, fear, and the theology of horror

As spooky season arrives, Bryan P. Stone, Leighton K. Farrell Endowed Dean at Perkins School of Theology, appeared in two major media features unpacking the unlikely spiritual power of horror cinema. His recent interviews with KERA Think and SMU News invited audiences to explore how theology and fear intertwine—and what horror films can teach us about human vulnerability, culture, and faith.

These conversations follow the release of his new book, Christianity and Horror Cinema (Routledge, 2025), which examines how Christian symbols, beliefs, and anxieties have shaped the monsters and moral questions that haunt Western horror films.

The Christian Core of Horror Movies — KERA Think

In October, Stone joined KERA Think host, Krys Boyd, for a Halloween episode titled The Christian Core of Horror Movies. Together, they explored how ghosts, witches, vampires, and demons often draw from Christian imagery — sometimes reinforcing faith, and other times subverting it.r

“Horror cinema preys on Christianity’s narrative, moral, cultural, and aesthetic traditions; reverses them; upends them; inverts them; and offends them,” Stone explained. “But it also reflects and relies on them.”

He emphasized that horror is not simply about fear — it’s about confrontation. “What horror film does is confront us,” he said. “It confronts us with our vulnerabilities, our finitude — those things we’ve buried deep. And it brings them back up in front of us.”

Read more about the Podcast Show: The Christian core of horror movies 

Why We Love Being Scared — SMU News Feature

In a companion feature produced by SMU News, Stone joined Rick Worland, film professor at SMU’s Meadows School of the Arts, in a video conversation titled Why We Love Being Scared. Filmed at the G. William Jones Film & Video Collection in the Hamon Arts Library, the discussion explored the psychological and cultural fascination with horror.

Reflecting on footage of audiences leaving The Exorcist in 1974, Stone and Worland traced how the genre has shifted from classic monsters to deeply personal fears that mirror modern life. Together, they considered how horror reflects moral questions and spiritual anxieties in every generation.

“Horror films are mirrors,” Stone noted. “They show us what we most fear about ourselves — and sometimes, what we most long for.”

Watch the SMU video: Why We Love Being Scared

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Dean’s Reflection: Where Theology Meets the World – Expected and Unexpected

Charles Wesley once penned the Advent hymn “Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus,” which many of us will soon be singing again with more frequency as we move toward Advent and the close of another calendar year. But while Jesus may well have been long-expected by those with deep messianic longing, the Jesus who came was, in almost every respect, unexpected. He appeared not in palaces and throne rooms but in a manger; not as a conqueror, but as a servant; not to confirm our expectations, but to upend them.

This rhythm of expectation and surprise feels especially familiar at this point in the semester. Study, ministry, and service are in full stride, plans are well-laid, calendars full—and yet God has a way of showing up between the lines, interrupting even our most sophisticated proposals (and syllabi!) with grace, insight, and renewal. Theological education at Perkins lives in that same tension: deeply grounded in Scripture, tradition, and scholarship, yet ever alert to how theology meets the world in new and unpredictable ways.

In recent months, I’ve been struck by how theology emerges in places we might not think to look—especially in the context of the multiple conversations I have had related to my recent book Christianity and Horror Cinema (October is my month!), where what is faithful and frightening intertwine and confront one another in ways that invite wonder rather than avoidance. Not for everyone, I know! But encounters like these remind us that theology is not confined to pulpits or classrooms; it breathes in art, film, conversation, and the cultural spaces that probe what it means to be human before God.

Students at Perkins are constantly discovering the unexpected in their classes, their formation together, their internships, and community worship. The renovation of Kirby Parlor into Kirby Commons is another sign of this meeting place between the sacred and the ordinary—a renewed space for fellowship, friendship, and reflection. I am deeply thankful for the generosity and vision that has brought that project to completion.

As Advent approaches, may we continue to look for God’s presence not only in the expected but in the startling, creative, and grace-filled surprises that define the life of faith.

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Perkins Events

Behind the Scenes of the Kirby Hall Commons Renovation

For years, the room formerly known as Kirby Parlor had fallen short of its potential. Students called it “the depressing room,” while faculty and staff used it only when necessary. Its dim lighting and lack of technology made it impractical for the types of gatherings the Perkins community envisioned. 

“The room had gradually become a storage space for donated furniture that wasn’t suitable for event use,” said Pam Goolsby, Perkins’ Building and Events Manager, who served as the on-site contact during the renovation. 

That all changed with the recent renovation. The new, modern Kirby Commons, unveiled in early October, now stands as a functional and welcoming space that honors its history while meeting the needs of today’s campus. 

Reimagining a Historic Space 

The project began with a clear vision from FBT Architects. 

“The design goal was to provide a modern, elegant, adaptable and functional meeting space that recognized and respected the historic architectural nature of the existing meeting hall,” said Daniel Chamberlain, Principal at FBT, and Kourtney Moses, Intern Architect. 

For Perkins, that meant creating a space for both intimate gatherings and large events while maintaining its 1940s-era architectural character. 

“The existing room itself was the key design inspiration,” they said. “Engaging and respecting the room’s elegant proportions for one. Secondly, the replacement of existing exterior doors and windows while maintaining the proportions and light divisions. A third, and primary, inspiration was the existing architectural moldings — these were maintained and also recreated in the new modern ceiling elements.” 

The adjacent kitchen was also transformed with new flooring, cabinets, and appliances to enhance everyday usability. 

Coordination and Collaboration 

The renovation required close collaboration among architects, engineers, and construction teams. 

“Engineers and lighting designers were employed to provide functional requirements for air and light, maintaining the existing backbone infrastructure,” the FBT team shared. “These included: lighting design, existing HVAC, sound and AV systems.” 

Israel Garcia, Project Superintendent, managed daily operations. “The project manager oversaw the entire project from preconstruction through substantial completion,” he said. “As superintendent, I coordinated subcontractors and ensured work was completed safely and on schedule.” 

Goolsby served as the bridge between Perkins and the construction team. “I spent much of my time working directly with the construction company’s project manager,” she said. “Depending on the phase, we met daily or weekly to review the scope of work and address any challenges that arose.” 

Garcia praised her leadership: “Pam is awesome! Her daily communication, attention to detail, and understanding of project timelines were essential in keeping the project on schedule.” 

Overcoming Obstacles 

Renovating a nearly century-old building brought inevitable surprises. 

“As with any renovation, conditions above ceilings and behind walls are unknown until demolition begins,” Garcia said. “For Kirby Hall, built in 1924, one key challenge was the ceiling layout due to limited space between the existing concrete and finished ceiling.” 

To resolve this, the team worked closely with the architects to redesign the ceiling layout, reconfiguring ductwork to allow for new lighting and projector alignment. 

From the administrative side, Goolsby recalled how the team stayed committed to the schedule. “To stay as close as possible to the original schedule, the construction company extended its efforts beyond the standard Monday–Friday workweek,” she said.

The Reveal: A Space Reborn 

When the doors to Kirby Commons reopened, reactions were immediate and heartfelt. The dedication ceremony concluded with a prayer blessing the space for generations to come. 

“At the ribbon cutting and dedication, the reaction from everyone was the same,” said Chamberlain and Moses. “This is the same room, elevated and improved for use, still elegant, new and beautifully lit, outfitted with the technology needed to be a useful contributor to the modern goals of Perkins Theology.” 

Garcia echoed their pride. “It was incredibly rewarding to hear the staff express their gratitude and excitement,” he said. “This project was meaningful to me because it allowed me to create a welcoming, updated space for students and faculty.” 

Having witnessed the entire transformation, Goolsby reflected on its significance. “My hope is that anyone who uses Kirby Commons feels a deep appreciation for its history while enjoying the comfort and functionality of a modern environment,” she said. “I envision it as a versatile venue, capable of hosting a wide range of events with ease.” 

The new Kirby Commons now stands as a vibrant reflection of collaboration, craftsmanship, and care — a space both timeless and forward-looking, ready to serve the Perkins community for generations to come. 

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Intership Spotlight: Ezri Josue Gomez Montes

The Perkins Intern Program is widely recognized for preparing women and men for faithful leadership in Christian ministry. Internships allow students to integrate classroom learning with the real-life demands of serving congregations or agencies in urban, suburban and rural settings. Interns are encouraged to follow three guiding practices: “Be Aware, Think Theologically, and Lead Faithfully.” Interns receive guidance from trained mentors, feedback from on-site committees, and support from their cohort, intern program faculty and consultants through the Internship Seminars. They gain hands-on experience, reflect theologically and explore how God is calling them to serve. In this ongoing series spotlighting interns, we introduce you to Ezri Josue Gomez Montes, an M.Div. student interning at University Park United Methodist Church in the Dallas area.

Gomez grew up in Juarez, Mexico, but his connection to UPUMC goes back more than 10 years. He attended high school at the Lydia Patterson Institute in El Paso, an educational ministry that UPUMC has supported for decades. The church’s Senior Pastor, the Rev. Dr.  Joe Stobaugh (M.S.M., 2003) serves as his mentor. Gomez and Stobaugh reflect on the internship experience here.

Ezri, tell us about your call story and how you came to UPUMC.

Gomez: I believe God has been calling me into ministry since 2016 — I just did not know it. (Laughs.)  In 2016, I started spending my summers at UPUMC, serving in the youth ministry.  I just thought I was going to Dallas to have a good time, spend some time with the youth, and do the cool things that churches in the U.S. do. Most churches in Mexico don’t have those same opportunities. Then I kept coming back every summer after that. While in college, I realized that God had called me into ministry, and in 2023, I joined the church staff full-time as the family ministries assistant.

You chose to complete your internship at the church where you’ve been serving for years. Has the internship expanded your view of the church?

Gomez: Yes! I’ve already had two opportunities to preach during Sunday worship, which I hadn’t done before.  It’s a big privilege to be able to preach before a large congregation like UPUMC. I’ve also sat in on meetings of various committees in the church: worship, stewardship, nominations and others.

The internship has pushed me out of my comfort zone. I’ve learned about the big picture and what it means to do the order of the entire church, beyond ministries for youth and children.

Stobaugh: We designed Ezri’s internship to expose him to many different aspects of pastoral life. As part of the internship, there’s a Learning Covenant drawn up by the student along with their internship advisor, the mentor pastor, and on-site committee. It’s a way of setting goals and being intentional. I wanted to help design something so that, when he starts his first appointment, he’ll know how to lead a funeral, and he’ll understand what the facilities person does — that sort of thing.

 

Has anything stood out as particularly meaningful or surprising about your internship so far?

Gomez: Before my internship, I knew people in the church – we at least said hi to each other. But I didn’t know if they knew me or cared about me. Now they are affirming my ministry nonstop.  It’s been very special to experience that.

Have you learned anything about yourself from the internship?

Gomez: Before, I was kind of afraid of the whole pastoral care thing. I thought you needed to have these “magic” powers when it came to pastoral care. But people have been saying that I’m a very calming presence and that I have gifts of pastoral care. So that’s something that I’ve leaned into.

I’ve also been learning how to be better at administration — like maintaining calendars, responding to emails in a timely way, doing the things that help us all work together. I have also become more aware of my leadership styles. That has helped me to lean into my strengths and to be aware of and work on my weaknesses.

Stobaugh: We basically planned the internship in quarters. August through the end of this September was focused on pastoral care. Ezri attended committee meetings and joined me on hospital visits and other pastoral care work. I’ve also asked him to interview people in the church — staff people as well as laypeople involved in pastoral care and stewardship.  He’s asking them, “What do you wish your pastor knew about your job?” I told the staff that I was not going to check up with them! I wanted these be free conversations, where they could really share what they wish I knew.

In the next three months, Ezri is going to focus on music, and in February, he’s going to be preaching for three weeks in a row. So, he’s really going to get a broad exposure to different areas of the church during the course of his internship.

Ezri, how do the reflection assignments encourage you to go deeper into these experiences?

Gomez: Some are what I would call “small picture.”  I keep a journal, where I record and reflect on any interaction, any conversation, or any event that happened during the day. We also write theological reflection papers, which look at the bigger picture.   Our three main goals are to “Be Aware, Think Theologically and Lead Faithfully.” Those theological reflection papers push us into doing those three things all at once. They help me to be present in the moment, in every conversation, but also to reflect at the same time.

Joe, what’s it like serving as Ezri’s mentor?

Stobaugh: I once heard the musician Questlove say that, if you’re over 40 and you’re not mentoring, you’re not doing it right. That really stuck with me. It’s been a joy to get to know Ezri and to see how God is working in his life. It is also a good opportunity to reflect on my own ministry. And it’s a way of saying thanks for all the people who mentored me and who continue to serve as mentors to me. It feels like being part of a tradition — taking the tradition forward and then helping to pass it on to the next generation.

Ezri, what’s one insight you’ll carry forward from your internship?

Gomez: I’ve learned that the senior pastor is really busy!  I sit in a cubicle outside of Joe’s office. I see all the people coming into his office, asking questions, just saying hi, you name it, all the time. So, it’s been very helpful to tap into Joe’s guidance as well as to observe him and learn from his ministry.

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Alumni Spotlights

“We Don’t Do Shame” Seth Botts (M.Div. ’25) Launches Recovery-Based Ministry in Chicago

As the Rev. Seth Michael Botts admits, “a gay, ex-con meth addict” doesn’t fit the typical profile of a United Methodist pastor. But his unlikely personal journey is ultimately what led him to serve.

Botts, sober since April 28, 2018, is a 2025 graduate of Perkins’ Houston-Galveston hybrid M.Div. program. He splits his time between a post at Holy Covenant United Methodist Church in Chicago and launching Free Recovery Community – Chicago, a new ministry and worshipping community for addicts, loved ones of addicts, and what he calls “spiritual refugees.”

Free’s first “pop up” worship took place on August 16 at Broadway United Methodist Church in Chicago. Regular worship will begin September 20.  The format is different from a typical service – no music, but storytelling, celebrations, raw prayers and conversations about God and recovery without shame.

In this conversation with Perkins Perspective, Botts shares his journey from prison to his unconventional pulpit, the vision behind Free, and why he believes his story is exactly the kind of story the Church needs.

Perspective: You didn’t grow up in the United Methodist Church. Tell us about your faith story.

Botts: I grew up in an Assemblies of God church. The God I knew then was very rules-based, and one of those rules was that I couldn’t be gay and be a Christian. But the real sticking point for me was what I call “the little boy in Nepal.” I could never wrap my head around a God who would let a little boy, born in another culture, grow up loving his family and community – and then condemn him to hell just because he didn’t say the right prayer to the “right” God. Also, my parents divorced when I was in middle school.  Our church had no place for divorced families. My mom had led children’s church and done so much for the church, but they turned her out quickly and easily. That was hard to watch.

I accidentally became a United Methodist later, when a visited a church with a friend who wanted to impress a guy by “bumping into” him at church. That church had a Black woman pastor, and one of the most famous trans nightclub performers in town was a member. It completely upended my understanding of what church could be. At the time, I didn’t know Methodist theology – I just knew it felt different.

 

Perspective: How did you connect with the 12-step and recovery movement?

Botts: I actually stumbled into recovery. I’d just gotten out of prison – I had served time for trafficking meth – and I was using again. My cousin had just gotten out of rehab, and her mom wouldn’t let us hang out, so I went to a 12-step meeting just to say hi.

I used again that night, but a few days later, I came back – and that’s when I got sober. Recovery reintroduced me to God. At first, I couldn’t even say the word “God” because of all the baggage I carried. But 12-step programs emphasize having an open mind. They helped me unpack my religious hang-ups, and eventually, I found my way back to church.

Perspective: You’ve been sober for more than seven years, but still call yourself an addict. Why?

Botts: Because the second I forget who I am, I’m closer to using again. I can’t drink like other people. I can’t have a cocktail and just wake up the next day for work. Being an addict is part of who I am – it keeps me honest.

Perspective: What led you to the United Methodist Church?

Botts: After that first surprising visit years earlier, I came back to church just before the pandemic. Even in jail, I’d try to go to Bible studies, but it was hard to read the Sermon on the Mount and then hear someone say, “You’re a sinner, repent.”

During the pandemic, I tuned into online services from a pastor I’d known in Dallas. When restrictions eased, I craved that community again. I found a local United Methodist church in St. Louis with contemporary worship, and about that same time, I began wrestling with my call to ministry.

I thought everyone would think I was crazy: a gay, ex-con, recovering drug addict who wanted to become a pastor. But I realized – if there wasn’t space for me in the Church, there wasn’t space for others like me. And the kingdom of God has space for everyone.

Perspective: Tell us about the Free Recovery, a New Faith Community in the northern Illinois Conference. Who does it aim to serve, and what will the programming look like?

Botts: Free is a faith community that translates the gospel for addicts, their loved ones and spiritual refugees – people who’ve been hurt or excluded by church. We meet inside an existing UMC, but we don’t use “churchy” language. There’s no sanctuary – it’s the Main Room. No music – instead, we tell stories.

Our gatherings begin with prayers of celebration. People share things like, “I just got my kids back,” “I have four days sober,” “I got visitation rights.” Then there’s a message that weaves scripture and recovery literature in a practical, relatable way.

After that, we have a contemplative song over the speakers, then a guest storyteller sharing their recovery journey in an interview format. Finally, we close with prayers of concern. These are raw, vulnerable moments. I’ve been there when someone came the day after their child’s suicide, or when someone shared about a relapse. The community rallies around them. It’s heavy, but it’s real.

Perspective: You describe Free as “12-step adjacent.” What’s the difference?

Botts: In Free, we “don’t do shame.” That’s one of our mantras. In 12-step, anonymity is important – it creates space to heal privately. But in Free, we can own our addiction publicly as a testimony to God’s work. We even had a photographer documenting our first gathering. Addiction is part of our story, not something we hide.

Perspective: How did Perkins help lead you here?

Botts: I was connected to a The Gathering, the largest United Methodist Church in Missouri, at the time I came to Perkins. I was thinking I’d just get my credentials to launch another site for that church. In my first semester, I met Amber Jamison, who worked at Mercy Street in Houston – a church for people on the margins. Amber told me about Free Recovery in Denver. That connection changed everything. Without Perkins, I wouldn’t have discovered this model of ministry.

Perspective: You’ve recommended Perkins to a number of potential students. Why?

Botts: Perkins was good to me – and to everyone I know. I got a full-ride scholarship, so I didn’t have to take out loans. The professors genuinely care. They’re academically rigorous, but they see you as a person. I’m still in daily contact with classmates I met there. And I especially appreciate that Perkins is grounded in scripture first. Our progressive stance grows from our respect for the Bible, not the other way around.

Perspective: Given the political environment, this isn’t an easy time for LGBTQ+ people. How do you avoid despair?

Botts: There are days when I ask, “Why are we building anything in this climate?” But both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures are manifestos against oppressive empires. They show us transformation is possible – for individuals and for whole communities.

Look at Moses, Paul, Rahab, Esther – all faced impossible odds, and God worked through them. At Free, we expect transformation.

We can create alternative narratives for people denied God’s grace. We can be the place where someone who’s been shamed, abused or rejected can finally heal. That keeps me hopeful.

Perspective: Any last words for those discerning a call?

Botts: Seminary is part of the discernment process – your call will probably evolve. I never thought I’d be in Chicago starting a church for people who can’t pay for it. But here I am.

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A Dream Deferred, Then Fulfilled: The Rev. Lily White’s Journey to Ordination

Lily White

When she first felt God’s call to ministry as a teenager, Lily White imagined herself as a music minister. She loved music, and as a young woman in a Southern Baptist congregation, that seemed like one of the only options.

“I felt that was the only place I could be a minister,” she said. “There would be more acceptance for a woman in music rather than behind the pulpit.”

White pursued a degree in church music at the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor in Belton, Texas. But during college, her life took an unexpected turn. She met a fellow student who would later become her wife.

“That rocked my world in so many ways,” White recalled. “I found love, and I was afraid I was going to have to choose her over God.”

In the Baptist circles she knew, women faced barriers to ministry. As a lesbian, she thought, there was no place for her as a minister. After graduation, she set aside her ministry dreams and eventually built a career in the hospitality industry.

Years later, White found a church home in Austin. She began to deconstruct her faith, eventually discovering what she calls “a loving relationship with God.” That long-buried call to ministry was rekindled.

“It took me a little while to realize that it was God calling me, and not just my imagination,” she said. “So I said, ‘Okay, God, wherever you want me to go, I’ll go — but you’re going to have to handle this.’”

Within just a week, a friend asked if she’d ever heard of Perkins School of Theology. That led to White to the Rev. Dr. Jaime Clark-Soles, then director of Perkins’ Baptist House of Studies. The introduction became a turning point.

White needed to stay in Austin to work and support herself, so Perkins’ hybrid Houston-Galveston program proved a perfect fit. She enrolled in 2021, becoming a Baugh Scholar — a scholarship for Baptist students that covered her tuition for all four years.

White thrived as a seminary student. Even living in another city, she immersed herself in campus life, becoming a student ambassador for the Baptist House of Studies Board of Visitors, joining the ecumenical Latine student group L@s Seminaristas, and serving in the Perkins Student Association. Sometimes that took some doing.

“I tried to advocate for other students who weren’t in Dallas,” she said. “If there was worship onsite, I’d ask if there could be a remote option so everyone could stay connected.”

Her engagement and leadership earned her four awards during her time at Perkins, including the Dr. & Mrs. Glenn Flinn Senior Award (selected by Perkins faculty for the student who best exemplifies the aims and aspirations of the school and the church for its ministry;) the Karis Stahl Fadely Scholarship Award (for the student who exhibits a commitment to Jesus Christ and the mission of her church, ability in a wide range of ministerial functions, a high sense of responsibility and good management of time;) the  W.B.J. Martin Award in Homiletics (presented to the outstanding student in preaching class;) and the Bishop John Wesley Hardt Award (the Perkins Student Association’s award to a student well-rounded in community life, worship, and student government, their local church, and in their community.)

In May 2025, White graduated from Perkins with a Master of Divinity. Two months later, she was ordained at University Baptist Church (UBC) in Austin — her home congregation. UBC is affiliated with the American Baptist Churches USA, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, and the Alliance of Baptists, all moderate to progressive groups that affirm women and LGBTQ+ people in ministry. White now serves as UBC’s director of hospitality. She manages communications within the church and with the wider community, coordinates events, oversees the office and connects with students and faculty who use the church’s facilities.

Her years in the hospitality industry — including 14 years with an event planning company — inform her approach to ministry.

“If you walk into a five-star hotel or restaurant, people immediately make you feel welcome,” she said. “I want to bring that spirit into the church — genuine hospitality, not just putting out a rainbow flag. It’s about making changes to spaces and traditions so people, especially those in the LGBTQ+ community, know they truly belong.”

Looking ahead, White hopes to help other churches live into their commitments to be open and affirming. She hopes that one day she’ll be able to bring some of the insights from hospitality into churches.

“There are churches that say, ‘All are welcome,’ but then expect people to change once they’re there,” she said. “I want to walk alongside congregations as they create spaces where all people can experience God’s love — just as they are.”

White and her wife recently celebrated 30 years together. Reflecting on her journey — from a young woman who felt her path to ministry was closed, to an ordained pastor in a welcoming church — she sees God’s hand throughout.

“As I’ve grown older, I’ve realized there are churches that will affirm someone’s call to ministry, no matter who they are,” she said. “Ministry can look like so many different things, because God calls us all to serve.”