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Exploring Faith and Reason: 2025 William J. Abraham Lecture with John Greco

More than 100 people filled Perkins’ Prothro Great Hall on April 1 for a thought-provoking conversation at the intersection of faith and reason. The occasion: the William J. Abraham Lecture, named in honor of the late Billy Abraham, and featuring guest speaker John Greco, a leading voice in epistemology and religious philosophy.

Greco’s lecture, titled “Knowledge of God?”, explored the enduring philosophical question: Is knowledge of God possible?

Greco drew attention to a “double mindedness” among believers: On the one hand, they shy away from making claims about knowledge of God in academia or in the public sphere; on the other hand, they don’t hold back on such claims in their private lives.

“When you tell your child, ‘You are a beautiful child of God,’ you don’t say, ‘But at least that’s what I believe,’” he said. “It doesn’t even occur to us that we don’t know that God created this beautiful child. I want to challenge this double mindedness a little bit.”

He cited an “animating theme” that infused Abraham’s work, including the principle Abraham called “epistemic fit” — the idea that we know different things in different ways.

“The way you know, say geometry or mathematics, is different from the way you know about the empirical world of biology, or the way you know what’s right or wrong,” Greco said. “The principle of epistemic fit says: Don’t confuse the proper methodology for knowing one kind of subject area with the proper methodology of knowing another subject area,” he said. “So for religious belief, don’t take a mathematical model for how you would know that God exists or is creator.”

Dr. Frederick Aquino, Professor of Systematic Theology at Perkins and Director of the Abraham Lecture Series, highlighted the broad reach of the event. Among the attendees were included faculty, students, administrators, alumni, church leaders, and philosophers—some religious, some not.

“We had people who are part of the Global Methodist Church, The United Methodist Church, and other denominations, some who don’t go to church, and people from a variety of disciplines, including philosophers,” he said. “And more importantly, John Greco offered an engaging talk that I believe was accessible for everyone in the room.”

The Abraham Lectures aim to create space for interdisciplinary conversations about contemporary questions and issues of significance, as a way of extending the spirit of Billy Abraham’s work into the future, Aquino added, and he’s pleased so far with the response.

“Each year, the lecture grows—both in size and in spirit,” he said. “It’s connecting Perkins with new communities and rekindling ties with the university at large.”

Missed the lecture? Watch it here: John Greco – 2025 Abraham Lecture

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2025 Annual Conferences with Perkins Gatherings for Alumni and Friends

We’re hitting the road! Perkins School of Theology is excited to announce our presence at the 2025 United Methodist Annual Conferences across the country. Whether you’re a proud Perkins alum, a current student, or someone exploring theological education, we invite you to connect with us in person. Faculty and staff from Perkins will be onsite offering updates and we’ll be hosting special alumni gatherings along the way. Didn’t receive your invitation? Update your contact info here to stay in the loop. Make plans now to join us—we can’t wait to see you! 

For questions, contact: Michelle Killian | mmkillian@mail.smu.edu  

May 

Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference
Hilton Hotel, Baltimore, MD
May 13–15 

Greater New Jersey Annual Conference
Wildwood Convention Center, Wildwood, NJ
May 18–20 

Eastern Pennsylvania Annual Conference
Wildwood Convention Center, Wildwood, NJ
May 20–22 

Texas Annual Conference
Hilton Hotel Americas, Houston, TX
May 25–28
Alumni Event: Alumni Breakfast
Date & Time: Tuesday, May 27 at 7 a.m.
Registration: Breakfast Registration Link 

Special Invitation: Read a message from Bishop Harvey

West Ohio Annual Conference
Capital University, Bexley, OH
May 28–31 

Oklahoma Annual Conference
Boston Avenue UMC, Tulsa, OK
May 28–31
Alumni Event: Alumni Lunch
Date & Time: Thursday, May 29 at 12 p.m.
Registration: Available through the conference registration process 

Michigan Annual Conference
Grand Traverse Resort and Spa, Acme MI
May 29–31
Alumni Event: Alumni & Friends Dinner
Date & Time: Thursday, May 29
Registration: Available through the conference registration process 

Alaska Missionary Conference 
First UMC, Anchorage, AK
May 30-31
Perkins Representation: We will host a table with materials only.

June 

Holston Annual Conference
Lake Junaluska Conference and Retreat Center, Lake Junaluska, NC
June 1–4 

Tennessee-Western Kentucky Annual Conference
Collierville UMC, Collierville, TN
June 1–4 

Great Plains Annual Conference
Kansas Wesleyan Center, Salina, KS
June 4–7 

Illinois Great Rivers Annual Conference
Peoria Civic Center, Peoria, IL
June 5–7 

Florida Annual Conference
Florida Southern College, Lakeland, FL
June 5–7 

Wisconsin Annual Conference
Marriott West, Middleton, WI
June 5–8 

Oklahoma Indian Missionary Annual Conference
SW Region Ministry Center, Anadarko OK
June 6–8
Alumni Event: Alumni Lunch
Date & Time: Saturday, June 7 at 12 p.m.
Registration: Lunch Registration Link 

Missouri Annual Conference
St. Charles Convention Center, St. Charles, MO
June 6–8 

Dakotas Annual Conference
Dakota Wesleyan University, Mitchell, SD
June 6–8 

Rio Texas Annual Conference
American Bank Center, Corpus Christi, TX
June 11-14
Alumni Event: Alumni Dinner
Date & Time: Wednesday, June 11 at 7 p.m.
Registration: Dinner Registration Link  

Special Invitation: Read a message from Bishop Harvey

Alabama-West Florida Annual Conference
Pensacola First UMC, Pensacola, FL
June 8–10 

Horizon Annual Conference
Southern Methodist University, Dallas, TX
June 8–10
Alumni Event: Alumni & Friends Breakfast
Date & Time: Monday,  June 9 at 7 a.m., Prothro Great Hall
Registration: Breakfast Registration Link

Alumni Event: Fresh Expressions Mixer with the Horizon Annual Conference – Sponsored by the Fresh Expressions House of Studies at Perkins School of Theology at SMU
Date & Time: Monday, June 9 at 5:15 p.m., Lockwood Distilling Company
Registration: Not required.

Northern Illinois Annual Conference
Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center, Schaumburg, IL
June 9–11 

Louisiana Annual Conference
Baton Rogue Hilton, Baton Rouge, LA
June 10–13 

Minnesota Annual Conference
St. Cloud Convention Center, St. Cloud, MN
June 11–13 

California-Pacific Annual Conference
Renaissance Esmeralda Resort and Spa, Indian Wells, CA
June 11–14 

Virginia Annual Conference
The Berglund Center, Roanoke, VA
June 11–14  

Mountain Sky Annual Conference
St. Andrews UMC, Highlands Ranch, CO
June 12–15 

Desert Southwest Annual Conference
Rio Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas, NV
June 12–15 

Iowa Annual Conference  
West Des Moines, RecPlex, Des Moines IA
June 13 – 15
Perkins Representation: We will host a table with materials only.

Arkansas Annual Conference
Hot Springs Convention Center, Hot Springs, AR
June 18–20
Alumni Event: Alumni & Friends Breakfast
Date & Time: Saturday, June 19 at 7 a.m., Embassy Suites
Registration: Breakfast Registration Link 

New England Annual Conference
Boston North Shore DoubleTree, Danvers, MA
June 19–21 

New Mexico Annual Conference
St. John’s UMC, Albuquerque, NM
June 19–21 

Western North Carolina Annual Conference
Lake Junaluska Conference and Retreat Center, Lake Junaluska, NC
June 19–22 

Pacific Northwest Annual Conference
Bothell UMC, Bothell, WA
June 26–28 

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Distinguished Alum Awards Recipient Spotlight: Sid Hall (2020 Recipient)

Sid Hall is Trinity’s Pastor Emeritus. Sid served as Trinity’s lead minister for 33 years, from 1988 to 2021. Now retired from full-time ministry in the United Methodist Church and in the United Church of Christ, Sid continues to write books and speak on various topics such as “Creation Spirituality,” “The History of Anti-Jewish Theology in the Church,” “LGBTQIA+ Inclusion in the Church,” and “Earth-based Ritual and Worship in the Church.” Sid currently serves on the national boards of Creation Spirituality Communities and Equity for Women in the Church.

How did your time at Perkins shape your faith, leadership style, and vocational path?

Faith:
One of the most valuable aspects of my time at Perkins was the safe space it provided to question, challenge, and rethink theology. During my studies, James Fowler’s The Stages of Faith had a profound impact on me. His framework for understanding faith as a developmental journey resonated deeply with my own spiritual path. Being part of a diverse community at Perkins—evangelicals, atheists, traditionalists, and activists—helped me embrace new perspectives and develop a faith I hadn’t imagined before seminary.

Leadership:
In the early 1980s, Perkins didn’t offer formal leadership courses, but the preaching curriculum—shaped by figures like Fred Craddock and Thomas H. Troeger—redefined my approach to leadership. I learned that effective preaching isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about engaging others through storytelling, collaboration, and shared experiences. This philosophy became the foundation for my pastoral leadership style.

Vocational Path:
Though I always felt a call to pastoral ministry, my time at Perkins opened my eyes to the necessity of aligning theology with action. My introduction to Liberation Theology, along with my activism on campus, shaped my vocational direction. Later, I found my place in an urban church in Austin that embraced social activism and LGBTQIA inclusiveness—something I never would have envisioned without the lessons learned at Perkins.

Lasting Influences

Are there any professors, courses, or experiences from Perkins that had a lasting impact on you?

There are so many, but a few stand out. My exegesis courses with Bill Power and Vic Furnish were transformative. I also had the privilege of studying under Rabbi Jack Bemporad, which deepened my understanding of Jewish thought. However, my greatest mentor at Perkins was Virgil Howard. His guidance helped shape my theological thinking and led to my first book, Christian Antisemitism and Paul’s Theology, for which I will forever be grateful.

Impact and Service

What are some of the most meaningful projects, ministries, or initiatives you’ve been a part of?

The most meaningful part of my ministry has been leading a 33-year experiment at Trinity Church of Austin, creating a community that merged activism with authentic spirituality. Our church became a place for the “nones,” reinterpreting Christian rituals to heal and motivate social justice work. I’ve also served on several boards, including the Political Asylum Project of Austin and PFLAG Austin, and continue to advocate for women in the church through my work with Equity for Women in the Church.

How do you continue to support the mission and goals of Perkins School of Theology and SMU?

I have been a direct recipient of Perkins’ mission to equip leaders for ministry, and I’ve carried that forward by supervising seminary interns, ensuring they are prepared for both theological depth and social awareness. I continue to inspire others through my work, teaching, and the communities I help shape. I also encourage pastors to pass on the rich academic insights they gained during their time in seminary, as congregations need intellectual and spiritual challenges.

Reflection on the Award

I had always thought that awards like the Distinguished Alumni Award were typically given to those who had achieved high-ranking positions in the church, such as a bishop or senior pastor of a large congregation. While those individuals certainly deserve such recognition, I never imagined someone like myself—whose ministerial aspirations were focused more on activism and serving on the margins—would be considered for such an honor. Yet, because Perkins was so instrumental in shaping my spiritual, social, and academic development, being named as the Perkins Distinguished Alumnus is one of the greatest honors of my life. Personally, it means the world to me. Professionally, it affirms that the kind of ministry I’ve pursued—one centered on social activism with the heart of a mystic—is valued by Perkins. This type of ministry, which Claus Rohlfs once described as ‘a rabble rouser ministry,’ is truly heartwarming to see recognized by Perkins School of Theology.

Nominate an Outstanding Perkins Alum for the Distinguished Alum Awards

Sid Hall’s remarkable journey exemplifies the values and impact of a Perkins education. His commitment to integrating faith, leadership, and social justice continues to inspire future generations.

Is there someone in your network who has made a significant impact in ministry, academia, or community service? We want to hear from you! Nominate a deserving alum for the next Distinguished Alum Awards. Visit our website for more information.

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Priscilla Pope-Levison to be Honored with Wesleyan Theological Society Lifetime Achievement Award

Perkins faculty member Priscilla Pope-Levison has been selected as the recipient of the Wesleyan Theological Society’s annual Lifetime Achievement Award. She will receive the award at a Society banquet on Friday, March 14, at Baylor University. Dr. Pope-Levison is Research Professor of Practical Theology at Perkins School of Theology at SMU, and she is the third woman to earn this honor.

The Lifetime Achievement Award recognizes individuals for outstanding service to the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition over a lifetime. Since its inception in 1994, the award has been given to distinguished scholars and theologians, including Randy Maddox, Billy Abraham, William Greathouse, James Earl Massey, and Donald Dayton. Any Wesleyan Theological Society member can be nominated, then the recipient is chosen by the Executive Committee under the direction of the Society’s president.

Society leaders cited Pope-Levison’s leadership in the organization as well as her contributions to the field of Wesleyan-Holiness scholarship as reasons for her selection for the award.

“Priscilla’s impact has made this year’s selection an easy decision,” said Justus H. Hunter, PhD, (GPRS, 2015), Society president and Associate Professor of Church History at United Theological Seminary. “She served on the Executive Committee and as president of the Society in 2018. She has made major contributions to both Women’s Studies and Evangelism, alongside extensive service to the church and academy.”

During her three-year term in executive leadership of the Society, Pope-Levison led the planning for one annual meeting and presided over another meeting in which she also gave her presidential address, titled “Negotiating ‘Andromania’ and Other Disputed Borders in the Wesleyan Deaconess Movement.”

“This is the second time the Society has honored Priscilla,” said Steven Hoskins, the Society’s promotional secretary and Professor of Church History at Trevecca Nazarene University’s School of Theology and Christian Ministry. “Her book, Building the Old Time Religion: Women Evangelists in the Progressive Era (NYU Press, 2014), won the Society’s Smith-Wynkoop Book Award in 2015 and remains a standard in the field.”

Hoskins also noted that Pope-Levison has delivered several landmark papers and is recognized as a leading scholar in Wesleyan-Holiness studies.

This is the second career-spanning award for Pope-Levison, who also received the Distinguished Service Award in 2022 from the General Commission on Archives and History for her ground-breaking research into the lives of the United Methodist denomination’s pioneers, especially women in evangelism, and for significant academic contributions to the ministry of memory of The United Methodist Church.

Pope-Levison joined Perkins School of Theology in 2015 as Associate Dean for External Programs and Professor of Ministerial Studies. Since 2019, she has served as co-Principal Investigator of two initiatives, the Thriving Congregations Grant and the Strengthening Congregational Ministries with Youth Initiative Grant, both supported by grants totaling nearly $2 million from the Lilly Endowment Inc. She is also the author of Models of Evangelism (Baker Academic, 2020) and the upcoming No Man’s Land: The International Methodist Deaconess Movement, 1874-1918 (Wesleyan and Methodist Exploration Series, Cascade Books).

Pope-Levison expressed deep appreciation for the award, noting the Society’s unique role in uniting Wesleyan scholars across denominational lines.

“It’s the one organization where the entire Wesleyan family participates across denominations—including the Salvation Army, the Church of the Nazarene, Church of God (Anderson, Indiana), the United Methodist Church, and the Global Methodist Church,” she said. “It fosters friendships and academic collaboration among scholars who otherwise might not be connected. I’m extremely honored to receive this recognition from such a distinguished and inclusive group.”

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Testimony HQ: Embedding God Stories into the Heart of Congregational Life

 

The Testimony HQ initiative at Perkins School of Theology has made a lasting impact on congregations by helping them embrace testimony—sharing personal stories that reflect God’s work—as a central part of their church communities. Through three cohorts, congregations of all sizes, contexts, and denominations within a 350-mile radius of Dallas have learned to use testimony as both a spiritual practice and a way to engage with their wider communities.

A Look Back: Stories of Transformation

Churches that participated in the second cohort experienced remarkable growth and connection:

  • South Dallas Ministry Expansion: “Testimony HQ helped us become more visible in our South Dallas community. People who joined our Testimony/Prayer Circle events even started attending Sunday worship. Our church is becoming a beacon of light, especially for the unhoused and unemployed.”
  • Stories of Gratitude Event: “One of our most impactful events welcomed friends from the Afghan refugee and Turkish communities, with over 150 people gathering for ‘Stories of Gratitude.’ Held the week before Thanksgiving, the event created space for sharing heartfelt stories of thankfulness.”
  • Testimony Night Success: “At our Testimony Night, over 115 people came together. After dinner, we reflected in small groups on where we’ve seen God at work, especially through acts of service. The energy was inspiring, and we’re committed to weaving testimony into all aspects of our church life, from life groups to community events like Fall Fest and Back to School Bash.”

Celebrating the Journey: Testimony HQ Café 2025

In January, leaders from more than twenty congregations gathered at Grace Avenue UMC in Frisco for the Testimony HQ Café. This event marked the culmination of the initiative, bringing together participants from Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas. It was a time of worship, reflection, and sharing stories about how testimony has transformed their churches.

A highlight of the event was the Testimony HQ Story Gallery, where churches showcased their journeys through creative displays—videos, collages, and written testimonies. This gallery captured the spirit of the initiative, showing how testimony can deepen faith and strengthen communities.

Reflections and Looking Ahead

While the application period for the third and final cohort has closed, the impact of Testimony HQ will continue to resonate in congregations across the region. The lessons learned, relationships built, and stories shared will inspire churches to keep testimony at the heart of their ministries.

“Testimony HQ got started because we saw the incredible value of testimony in building community,” said Rev. Dr. Priscilla Pope-Levison, co-principal investigator. “Community and connection flow out from a thriving congregation’s practice of testimony into the world around it.”

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Perkins School of Theology Launches Fresh Expressions House of Studies

Perkins School of Theology at SMU is preparing to launch a transformative new program, the Fresh Expressions House of Studies, on June 1, 2025. The initiative is designed to provide innovative theological education that equips students to lead ministries both inside and outside traditional church settings.

Michael Beck, a trailblazer in the Fresh Expressions movement in North America, has been appointed as the program’s inaugural director. The Perkins faculty approved the initiative in December 2024.

Begun in 2003 by the Methodist Church of Britain and the Church of England, Fresh Expressions is a creative, interdenominational movement that shares the gospel and builds communities in unconventional spaces. From dog parks to EV charging stations, local pubs to assisted living centers, these ministries aim to reach those who may feel hurt, harmed, or marginalized by traditional church experiences.

“This represents a paradigm shift in theological education – offering a traditional seminary experience while creating a dynamic space for reimagining ministry and leadership for a new generation,” said Dr. Beck. “This program will build on Perkins’ legacy of equipping faithful leaders, expanding the vision to embrace new, transformative forms of ministry that serve the present age. Students will learn how to lead church plants that are organic and innovative – which may never take place in church buildings but will reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.”

The Fresh Expressions House of Studies will create a network of students, faculty, and community leaders exploring new approaches to ministry. Students will engage in spiritual formation, mentorship, internships, and real-world ministry practice in nontraditional settings. Program leaders are also working to develop specialized courses and an academic concentration related to Fresh Expressions for Master of Divinity students.

Dean ad interim Hugo Magallanes emphasized the program’s alignment with Perkins’ Wesleyan heritage. “In a time of uncertainty about the future of the church at large, Fresh Expressions reclaims a distinctive Wesleyan emphasis,” Dean Magallanes said. “The Fresh Expressions House of Studies will allow us to reach students seeking rigorous theological education while inspiring creative approaches to sharing the gospel.”

Beck, an ordained United Methodist clergy, brings extensive experience to this role. He has consulted with hundreds of churches, denominations, and networks, and currently oversees contextual church planting as director of Fresh Expressions UM at Path 1/Discipleship Ministries. Beck holds a Doctor of Ministry in Semiotics and Future Studies from George Fox University, a Master of Divinity from Asbury Theological Seminary, and is completing a Ph.D. in sociology at the University of Florida.

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Dr. Robin Lovin receives Lifetime Achievement Award from the Society of Christian Ethics

Dr. Robin Lovin receives Lifetime Achievement Award from the Society of Christian Ethics

Dr. Robin W. Lovin, who served as Dean of Perkins School of Theology from 1994 to 2002, was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award by the Society of Christian Ethics on Jan. 10. The award was presented at the society’s annual meeting in Chicago by Steve Long, a past president of SCE and Cary M. Maguire University Professor of Ethics at SMU. The award recognizes “outstanding, sustained, and substantive contributions in advancing the field of Christian ethics,” with consideration given to the recipient’s publications, influence on students, and impact on the discipline of theological ethics.

Currently, Dr. Lovin is Cary M. Maguire University Professor of Ethics emeritus at SMU and Visiting Scholar in Theology at Loyola University in Chicago. He is the 14th person to receive this award since its inauguration and the second from SMU, joining SMU professor emeritus Charlie Curran, who received the award in 2017. Only one other institution, Yale University, has had two faculty recognized in this way.

In presenting the award, Steve Long noted the substance and breadth of Lovin’s scholarship, influence, and commitment to the discipline of Christian Ethics.

“Professor Lovin’s service to the SCE has been unparalleled,” said Steve Long. “Not only did he serve as president, but he also chaired two SCE presidential committees that oversaw restructuring of the SCE administration. In addition, the influence he has had on his own students as well as those of us who are students at a distance are too numerous to mention.”

A non-denominational scholarly association, the Society of Christian Ethics has nearly 1,000 members from the faculties of universities, colleges, and theological schools primarily in the United States, Canada, and Europe. The SCE promotes research in the history of ethics and moral theology, theoretical issues relating to the interplay of theology and ethics, methodology in ethical reflection and investigation, and comparative religious ethics. At the same time, the society addresses problems in applied and professional ethics, human rights, and social justice in national and global contexts.

Dr. Lovin is the author of numerous books and papers, including What Do We Do When Nobody is Listening? Leading the Church in a Polarized Society (2022) and An Introduction to Christian Ethics: Goals, Duties, and Virtues (2011.) He is also an ordained minister in The United Methodist Church and has been active in local and national church events. He has served on the editorial boards of numerous scholarly journals, including the Journal of the American Academy of Religion, Studies in Christian Ethics, and the Journal of Law and Religion, and he is an editor-at-large for the Christian Century.

“On behalf of Perkins School of Theology, I extend heartfelt congratulations to Dr. Robin Lovin on this well-deserved lifetime achievement award,” said Perkins Dean ad interim Hugo Magallanes. “His exemplary leadership as dean and profound contributions to Christian ethics have indelibly enriched our community and the broader theological field.”

 

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Toward the Beloved Community: Resisting Domination

Martin Luther King, Jr. was an indefatigable fighter against economic and racial domination, and a fierce advocate for a Beloved Community that promotes and protects human dignity. Join us on January 25th, 2025, as we come together under the theme, “Toward The Beloved Community: Resisting Domination,” to discuss and reflect upon changes in the post-Civil Rights Black church and the ongoing struggle for racial and economic justice. Guest speaker: Dr. Jason E. Shelton, Professor of Sociology and Director of the Center for African American Studies at the University of Texas at Arlington. Event moderator: Dr. Michael Greene, Director of Black/Africana Church Studies at Perkins School of Theology/Southern Methodist University.  Event held at Salem Institutional Baptist Church, 3918 Crozier Street, Dallas, Texas 75214. Senior Pastor: Rev. Todd Atkins.

Note: Event live streamed  at https://www.facebook.com/SALEMIBCDallas/

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Robert Hunt Awarded ISNA Interfaith Relations Award

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) honored Robert Hunt in September with its Excellence in Interfaith Relations Award.  In bestowing the award, ISNA leaders cited his work in promoting interfaith relations through many years as a participant in international dialogue events, and in helping organize and lead Faiths in Conversation dialogue groups, engaging Perkins School of Theology students in interfaith dialogue, and working with Thanks-Giving Square and its Interfaith Council. Robert Hunt Awarded ISNA Interfaith Relations AwardOver the last four years his podcast Interfaith Encounters has given dozens of authors, students, and leaders of different religious faith the opportunity to express their views on contemporary issues.

“This is really an award for everyone who engages in respectful dialogue,” said Hunt, who is Professor of Christian Mission and Interreligious Relations at Perkins. “Dialogue is always a community endeavor, and ISNA is a key community in American interreligious dialogue.”

 

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Left to right: Azhar Azeez, Robert A. Hunt, Safaa Zarzour, and Arshan Khalid.

Photo courtesy of ISNA

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Presidential Visit with Perkins Students

Presidential Visit

George W. Bush visits Perkins class on Presidential Rhetoric and American Political Theology

Perkins students in Dallas Gingles’ classroom had a surprise visitor on September 17: former President George W. Bush.

At the invitation of Gingles and the office of SMU President R. Gerald Turner, Bush participated in the “Presidential Rhetoric and American Political Theology” course. The class followed a Q&A format, with the former president fielding questions from students and Gingles.

Due to Secret Service protocols, the visit was unannounced and was a surprise for everyone in the classroom except Gingles.

“Brad Cheves came in and told the class, ‘Hey, there’s a special guest speaker here for you. He’s the 43rd President of the United States,’” said Gingles, who is Associate Professor of Practice in Systematic Theology and Christian Ethics at Perkins. (Cheves is Senior Vice President for Development and External Affairs for SMU.)

The course looks at the speeches of U.S. presidents and the theological concepts they called on. According to the course description, “This course treats such presidential speech as primary texts of political theology. It seeks to understand the vision of God and the good life that is both presupposed and constructed in the speech.”

Gingles said he invited President Bush “not to have him speak on any particular topic, but more to engage with the class on the overall topic of president’s speech, in relation to the theological claims that we are interrogating in the course itself.”

Every student had a chance to ask a question. Because the contents of the discussion were strictly confidential, Gingles can’t share details. Students were required to turn in their devices before class and were not allowed to take notes. However, Gingles does say he believes the conversation was fruitful and enlightening.

“I can say that it was uniformly an excellent experience,” he said.

Twelve graduate and post-graduate students are taking the course, including three M.Div. students, two students in the Th. M. program, a law student, and an alum who is auditing the course.  Having taught several of the students for multiple courses, Gingles believes a wide spectrum of political views – conservative, moderate and progressive — were represented in the classroom.

“There was no partisan rancor,” he said. “The students were willing to engage with President Bush honestly.  It was a truly a free exchange of ideas. One student called it the best day of her education, ever.”