Mark W. Stamm, Professor of Christian Worship at Perkins, was recently interviewed for the podcast Practicing the Presence, a production of Arapaho United Methodist Church in Dallas and hosted by the Rev. Blair Thompson-White (D. Min. 2018, M.Div. 2012), Senior Pastor. The topic was “Bumping Up Against Grace,” about John Wesley’s experience of having his heart “strangely warmed” and the practices that we can use in our daily lives to get close to God. To listen to the podcast, click here.